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David Gress's avatar

A post which deserves a longer reply from someone who could be your father.

Men like Weinstein and Galloway infuriate me, because they spend their careers promoting what they now claim to deplore. They've denigrated and spat on heritage America and European civilization in general, and now they're shocked! shocked! that their ugly efforts have consequences.

Like Helen Andrews and Jacob Savage have explained, guys like them are OK, thank you very much, and so, probably, are their children, if any.

It's the other poor bastards who have to pay the price for their preening.

You may be right that we need a hard reset.

AnnKP's avatar

To me, one of the saddest thing of all is that at a time when white, Christian males are being demonized just for existing, you have a Catholic CARDINAL--Algerian Cardinal Jean-Paul Vesco--actually saying we are "not a Church that is there to convert." If this were an aberration it would be bad enough, but this kind of sentiment is all too common in the hierarchy. So these young men are not even getting any back-up for their identity from church LEADERS. Talk about the rug being pulled out from under you from the one camp that should bolster your courage when things get rough. The absurdity of such a statement...if that were true, why would ANYONE bother to suffer ridicule, exclusion, and persecution for calling himself a Christian? Why not just drop the whole label? What is the point?

clinton's avatar

Yes. And a disturbing detail in all of this scandal over Cardinal Vesco’s remarks is that no one in Rome with some sense (and perhaps some authority over His Eminence) pulled him aside and suggested he put a lid on that sort of talk. Instead, when the Cardinal was called out by Bishop Barron, His Eminence actually doubled-down and flatly stated that the Church had “better things to do” than convert others to the Gospel.

And it doesn’t appear that anyone in Rome is interested in having Cardinal Vesco walk back his flippant remarks. The silence deafens.

I get the distinct impression that if Christ Himself were to have given the Great Commission to our current leadership in Rome rather than the Apostles, instead of going to the ends of the earth preaching and converting, our current leadership would have told Him “nah, we have better things to do”.

Debby Rust's avatar

Great assessment, Steve. It's called reality. Few, very few, lack critical thinking skills, common sense and the inate ability to see through decades and decades of good old fashioned brain washing.

Just the other day, my son and I were discussing the fact that where once, we could actually have a discussion with individuals based on facts and they might consider them, it is 'game over" now. It's almost like rock....unbreakable and immovable.

There will be no returning to "normal". It will take a catastrophic event so irreversible that mankind will have no choice but to work with their bare hands by the sweat of their brow every single day just to live. Then and only then will the young men learn and grow and become what they were meant to be.

Debby Rust's avatar

Sorry, Steve. I'm not wearing my glasses. I meant to write "few, very few HAVE critical thinking skills".

So much for my writing skills! Lol

Rob's avatar

There are haves and have nots and the boys of the haves tend to go the best colleges and land the best jobs. The boys of the have nots have been in a state of despair for quite some years now. Isn't that was the fentanyl crisis was all about.

Now is the desolation of the have nots starting to seep into the haves? I don't know. But I don't know if we would see outbreaks of violence or just growing despair which would be reflected in ways such as substance abuse and early death.

As far as Gen Z emulating Star Wars or LOTR characters, this doesn't make sense to me for anyone over 12 years old. And anyone at that age isn't too concerned about their career although they may be facing a disruptive home environment. I wonder if Gen Z young white males would throw their chances towards politicians like Abdul el-Sayed, hoping he would be their champion.

Dean Cooper's avatar

I read Jeff Chiders "Coffee & Covid" Substack. He's a lawyer who fought the crazy Covid policies and is quite positive. Here's what he said recently referring to a WaPo article about a black guy named Harris who lost his government DEI position because of Trump:

Trump’s anti-DEI executive order, it said, “triggered a rapid retreat from DEI policies throughout government and the corporate world — and, Harris feared, devastating the field in which he built his career.” If that thesis is correct, then WaPo just admitted that President Trump and DOGE single-handedly dismantled DEI across the federal workforce and corporate America in one fell blow. The prestige paper considers that a crime. But this is an astonishing accomplishment that would have defied any rational prediction. Nobody expected DEI to collapse like a house of race cards.

So is DEI, woke, and feminist policies really locked in? I don't think so.

Also, you have no idea what a violent reset would look like, or where it would end up. It could get very ugly and end up splitting the country into pieces and allowing China to rule us all. That doesn't strike me as progress!

It's tragic too, because we are on the verge of a new tech revolution that could well fix many of the issues we face today (while of course introducing new issues). America is getting investments like never before and becoming the leading energy exporter. We'll be pulling in all that money, not the Middle East. Isn't that something to be happy about?

I had Suno write a song for me though. A country song called Eat Dirt. Here's the lyrics. By the way, my grandfather was a Cherokee cowboy who worked on a ranch in New Mexico. And he was a man.

[Verse 1]

Raised on a horse

With dust on my jeans

Dad said, "Learn straight"

And know what that means

I rode out young

With a hat pulled low

Thought I’d chase a desk

And let the work show

[Pre-Chorus]

Went up north

Learned to shake hands

Books in my bag

And plans in my hands

Got a fine suit

Got a clean name

Then the job went dark

And the screen took my lane

[Chorus]

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

I’m back in the saddle

Where the hard boys work

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

I was born for the range

Not the boardroom hurt

[Verse 2]

They took my hours

And called it progress

Cold little words

In a glass-walled fortress

One click, one blink

And I was done

But I know a trail

When the trail gets rough

[Pre-Chorus]

So I came home

With my boots in the mud

Stirred up the herd

And the old blood

Sun on my face

Wind in my hair

I trade that office

For open air

[Chorus]

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

I’m back in the saddle

Where the hard boys work

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

I was born for the range

Not the boardroom hurt

[Bridge]

I don’t need a badge

I don’t need a throne

I got a steady hand

And a way back home

If the world gets cold

And the suits get mean

I’ll ride my line

Through the wheat and green

[Final Chorus]

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

I’m back in the saddle

Where the hard boys work

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

I was born for the range

And I’ll make it worth

Let them eat dirt!

Let them eat dirt!

AnnKP's avatar

As an aside, my son (28) is having the opposite problem. He's had two long-term (1-2.5 year) relationships and a few shorter ones, but can't seem to find a young woman without the emotional baggage of a middle-aged divorcée. (My words, not his!) I'm talking young ladies in their early to mid-twenties, and every one of them turns out to have "anxiety" and/or severe "trust issues" that stem from alleged "trauma" from previous relationships. One young woman he started dating confessed to being a witch (that was the end of that), and another he was head-over-heels over suddenly broke it off with him--with no explanation--and then proceeded to STALK him in public, wherever he went (he's in the music industry, so this was not difficult). He actually has her banned from any place he performs. She would routinely show up on the dance floor RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM (inches away) and make out with other guys...while looking at him. It was completely creepy and bizarre. This is a young, professional woman with a respectable career. He can't find anyone normal!

Steve Skojec's avatar

This was focused on the boys, because that’s what today’s discussion was around (and because I think this poses a greater medium-term danger) but that doesn’t mean I think the girls are OK.

I also don’t think these situations exist independently of each other. Male and female form a polarity, and when one gets pulled out of whack, the other does too.

I actually think this all started with feminism as it evolved beyond a basic appeal of “we just want some rights” to “men are the enemy and we should make them pay.”

It’s why I think, as awful as it would be, a catastrophic reset that forces the natural re-assertion of gender roles would heal a lot of what ails us. But it would come at such a high cost that it’s hard to say it’s actually desirable.

AnnKP's avatar
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What I meant to point out is that it's not just men being rejected by women, it's also men unable to find an emotionally or psychologically stable woman. I work in a high school, so this does not surprise me. Kids today (especially girls) love to tell EVERYONE about all of their alleged mental health conditions. We've gone from stigma to status on that topic. You may be right about a catastrophic reset being needed. I pray to God it doesn't come to that, but it probably will.