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Nathaniel L's avatar

Several thoughts come to mind

1) While I surely agree from my own observation that this kind of religious upbringing can be extremely damaging, it also seems true that it used to be much more common than it is now. Or maybe not. It could be that religious upbringing in a dominantly religious culture was able to focus on religion as a kind of cultural thing in a way that's impossible now, and that's why the kids in the ethnic neighborhoods of the 1930s-50s grew up with really sticky religious practice without it (by and large) seeming to occupy their lives in unhealthy ways.

2) I've read DBH's book, and I'm a big fan of his work and writing generally. At the time I read it, which was like a year and a half ago, I also read Balthasar's Dare We Hope, and I found Balthasar to write both more beautifully and more charitably in his treatment of the historic weight of belief in Hell. (Which, mainly to my chagrin, I think you do have to give some weight to- if 'common consent' is the best argument for religious practice, it's hard to argue that the 'common consent' of Christian history-not this thread of particular theologians stretching back to the patristics that Hart identifies, but the common belief-surely includes Hell.) Have you read Balthasar's book? Of course it's anathema to trads but since you're already reading Hart I think you could pick it up after and evaluate the one against the other.

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I think it's totally uncontroversial to consider religious education as brainwashing. The controversy is whether or to what extent it is immoral. If I remember correctly, Richard Dawkins famously claimed that religious indoctrination is child abuse, and maybe it was the Dalai Lama who wrote an excellent article in response? I can't quite remember.

Personally, I think the traditional doctrine of hell is an abusive belief, and that it is morally wrong to teach it to children. However, I'm not so sure it is abusive per se to teach religion to children. If the parents are sincere believers, what else can they be expected to do? I also don't blame or shame parents for teaching their children about hell if they themselves believe in it, because again, what realistic choice do they have?

That said, I think hell as a concept is preposterous and self-contradictory. To be fair, I think that about almost all of Christianity though. Though raised Catholic and indoctrinated heavily myself, I am not afraid of hell at all today because I see not only hell, but heaven, god, saints, popes, churches, miracles, resurrections, and every other fantastical aspect of Christianity to be...nonsense? Silly? Absurd? Empty? Some combination of all of those I suppose.

The "gun to your head" is a finger gun pointed by feckless, dishonest, and repellant men with a long track record of utterly shameful and heinously evil behavior. I am literally unable to care what they say or think.

Are you afraid to go to Jahannam (Islamic hell)? How about the Mormon's "Outer Darkness?" Afraid you'll be reborn as a bovine rectal parasite because of your bad karma? I suppose I'm not too worried about going to Jewish hell, sounds like the maximum sentence is only 12 months!

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