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ComfyOldShoe's avatar

No one here seems to have addressed the subject of intra-sexual competition tactics among women.

Fertility and male-female relations are certainly worthy topics. But I was stricken by recognition of what I’ve experienced and observed. Yes, this is real, and vicious in a way that men can’t readily understand. Women too will deny it. If you know one who’ll discuss it, listen.

Your haircut looks great (marine cut on a 20-something woman.)

Your back would feel better if you had breast-reduction surgery. (This was possibly true but no regard to risks/actual outcomes was given. Still better in my opinion to teach posture, core strengthening exercises, and better bra-buying options)

So many more examples, and not recent ones.

Women can grow to be wary of advice from friends, even mothers, sisters, etc. And friendships with men may distort things too, but it does start with female-female influences. Thank you for highlighting this. Lord, have mercy.

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Sarhaddon's avatar

The thing is, there is no reason to believe that having fertility above the replacement level is the default setting that can only be "ruined" by suppressive ideology like feminism.

I think the opposite is true - in a state of anomic nihilism, a childfree society with below-replacement fertility is the norm and what will bring it up is an ideology (or culture, or religion, or emerging societal standard or even tribal narrative) that will boost it above replacement level.

The argument against my position is that even in the absence of cultural phenomena, the sex drive exists. That is true, but a sex drive is a myopic and reptilian thing. It is the sex drive, not the "produce a functional family while having children" drive. Unless the culture forms the sex drive in the appropriate way, you can fulfill it with casual relationships, masturbation, non-reproductive marriages, homosexual behavior or whatever stimulates the appropriate organs. The only thing keeping these non-productive forms of sexuality at bay is a cultural command that they are inappropriate.

Once the cultural repression goes, everything is fair game. A minority will have a personality that will lead them to forming a reproductive marriage. Meanwhile the majority will deviate. This will happen not because any single deviant temptation is so strong, but because in a society like ours, there is a temptation for every temperament. The sex addicts will have causal sex, the misanthropes will engage in porn and masturbation (so they don't have to deal with other people), the career-obsessed will marry but not have children.

This is the outcome of leaving things free. In such a state, below-replacement fertility rate is the obvious outcome. No additional repression (via anti-masculinism, feminism etc.) is even needed - although where it exists, it probably suppresses birth rates even more.

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