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I don't know where you are in thinking about Catholic sexual teaching, but another part of this I think is just Catholics twisting themselves into pretzels to deny that some people are just really, actually gay and they just can't magic themselves out of that condition. I don't mean to say that Catholics need to agree with or encourage people to be actively homosexual, but I have seen multiple instances where Catholics wish so hard for people to be able to stop being gay or to become ex-gay or whatever, that they tout these stories of conversion or return that, from an outside perspective, are extremely fishy. I am coming from a comparatively conservative Catholic background and of the 6 (that I know of) people that I met from the same background (across high school and college) who turned out to be gay, only one is successfully living according to Church teaching. That's an 83% failure rate among well-catechized young adults on what is supposed to be a universal teaching. The others went through varying levels of self-flagellation and mental gymnastics to be ex-gay or openly gay but never in a relationship, and at varying points either left the faith wholesale or became 'cafeteria' Catholics- so that they could have relationships, hopes for any kind of family (it was that or be single forever or do religious life, where you are viewed as a liability if you are gay), etc. I don't endorse surrogacy or all that stuff but my point is just that, to be honest, I just haven't seen Church teaching on this issue work out for the majority of the people I know who are affected by this. Again, small sample size and I am only in my late 20s, but when I see people like Michael Voris, I think of young Catholics I have known who try super hard to deny their sexual orientation or be gay and find any kind of livable, exciting, fulfilling life within the Catholic Church - and that becomes a weird psychological alienation in itself that easily leads to a double life. This is not to say I have really any great pity for Voris, who i think capitalized on scandal and justly deserves the criticism he has received. Nor am I saying Church teaching is impossible, or that chastity is bad, but simply that I am reflecting on my own observation that somewhere along the line this particular teaching doesn't seem to be leading to much observable human flourishing. Like you can't both treat homosexuality as a radioactive disease and also expect gay Catholics to be super well adjusted. Again, all my opinion, and I welcome others' thoughts.

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This article is very accurate in its assessment of conservative Catholic circles: we get duped easily by "strong men." It got me thinking about all of the voices in the Catholic world that I used to hang on every word, every day for years. Keep in mind, I'm not saying these people or channels are evil or corrupt, but I've become much more weary of stuff like this. Here is a list of what seems like another lifetime to me: Church Militant, Sensus Fidelium, The Remnant, Taylor Marshall (your fave), Trad Cat Knight, Fatima Center, Dimond Brothers (sedevacantists, I know), Fr. Ripperger, E. Michael Jones, and What Catholics Believe with Fr. Jenkins I think was his name. I'm sure I've left some out, but you get the point. I had to walk away from that stuff, it was too fear based, too angry and negative. It had the same vibes of the fundamentalists Christians that used to (and still) badger me with blood moons and rapture talk. Enough is enough.

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