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M.  King's avatar

Thanks for sharing this. It's very good and does have a definite "Chesterton sound."

Twilight Patriot's avatar

I find these AI arguments unimpressive. Not only because of the attempt to imitate Chesterton, which falls flat. (The style and substance are much more typical of the early 21st century Internet writers, which the AI was trained on; a common complaint I've heard about AI is that, when it tries to summarize or imitate a specific essay, person, or argumentative style, it not only simplifies the arguments but makes them more boring and conventional.)

But also the arguments themselves are weak - for instance the machine argues that morality without religion must be possible because it's self-evidently good to protect the weak, saying things like: "Consider the example of protecting the unborn child, who is surely among the most vulnerable of all... To abandon the unborn, or the disabled, or the aged, is to deny the very principle that makes morality possible: the recognition of value beyond utility, of dignity beyond power."

And yet in real, actual human history, as it actually happened, protecting the weak - for instance, by being bothered enough by abortion or infanticide or even slavery and pederasty to do anything about it - was almost exclusively something done by religious people. Pre-Christian Greece and Rome weren't bothered by those things; the Christianization of the Roman empire is what made them taboo or, at least in the case of slavery, moderated them. (Medieval serfs weren't free by modern standards but they had way more rights than a Roman mine or brothel slave.)

In Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism, which don't make such a big deal about mankind being uniquely created in God's image, the whole "all life is valuable" thing tends to be expressed in vegetarianism... but still it is basically a religious thing. Vegetarianism is common in India because of the religious beliefs of dozens of generations of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs... not because ancient India's equivalent of Peter Singer argued on secular grounds that eating meat is immoral.

Granted, I'm not so attached to any specific religion that I would argue that morality depends on someone sharing my religious beliefs, or even that it depends on revealed religion. One can be a Deist and believe that God's will was manifested through the act of creating the natural world, and not through any particular book of scripture or volume of revealed laws; such a person can still believe that respect for that Creation requires one to act in certain ways that are widely viewed as "moral."

But without any sort of God to give order to the world, morality is just a matter of one person's preferences against another's. A Roman atheist might as well say: "You may refrain from burying your unwanted baby girl alive if doing it makes you uncomfortable, but is doesn't make me uncomfortable, so I'm going to go ahead and do it, without feeling any guiltier than you feel when you eat fish and lamb."

Unless you believe that there is actually a higher Intelligence to whom human beings owe respect, and that this Intelligence created the world and the things in it - you and me, and the baby girl, and the fish, and the lamb - with some degree or artistry and purpose, then it makes no sense to argue that there's a moral and immoral way to interact with said world. If you grant that there's a Creator, then moral disagreements still exist (did God make the lamb because he wants us to eat it? To sacrifice it on an altar? But only on this one particular altar in Jerusalem, and not anywhere else?) but at least it's possible to have morality. Also, even laying aside fears of eternal punishment, people are just more likely to sacrifice for a common moral vision, and pass down their beliefs to future generations, if they believe that Someone wiser and more powerful than themselves is the author of the whole enterprise.

But trying to have morality without religion is like planting a plastic flower in a flowerpot and expecting it to grow.

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