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U.S. Intelligence Officials Say America is in Possession of Non-Human Craft & Bodies
If true, it's one of the biggest stories in human history. But where's the evidence?
If you spend any time on social media — traditional media has been slower to pick up the story — you’ve probably seen the news: David Grusch, a decorated Air Force veteran who spent fourteen years in the U.S. intelligence apparatus, including time as the liaison between the National Reconnaissance Office and the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon (UAP) Task Force, has come forward this week with an absolute bombshell of a claim: the U.S. government has in its possession both crashed or abandoned craft created by non-human intelligence, as well as the bodies of some of the beings who piloted those craft.
The news broke in a story on The Debrief, “a news site providing a public venue for credible reporting on science, tech, and defense news, with an eye for the cutting edge science and technology of tomorrow.” The story was written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, the investigative journalists who broke the UAP disclosure worm-can wide open in their 2017 New York Times piece, Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program, which revealed the Pentagon’s secret Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the man who ran it for years: Lue Elizondo.
In 2021, I wrote about my discovery of that story, one rainy Sunday while waiting in our family van with the kids for my wife to come out of the store:
For me, that article re-opened a childhood interest that had once had me poring over books from the public library about Project Blue Book and alien abductions — an interest I had more or less abandoned in pursuit of theological truths and an eventual career in religious media.
But in the intervening five years since that Times story was published, there’s been a lot of obfuscation and frustration. I’ve written at this Substack about many of the developments and disappointments that have happened during that period of time.
And then, out of the blue, comes Grusch’s disclosure:
Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.
In filing his complaint, Grusch is represented by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG).
“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”
In accordance with protocols, Grusch provided the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to us. His on-the-record statements were all “cleared for open publication” on April 4 and 6, 2023, in documents provided to us.
Grusch’s disclosures, and those of non-public witnesses, under new protective provisions of the latest defense appropriations bill, signal a growing determination by some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with national security implications that has bedeviled the military and tantalized the public going back to World War II and beyond. For many decades, the Air Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings of unexplained objects. Now, with two public hearings and many classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers.
Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”
Grusch isn’t the only intelligence official cited in the piece:
Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.
“A number of well-placed current and former officials have shared detailed information with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history, governing documents and the location where a craft was allegedly abandoned and recovered,” Mellon said. “However, it is a delicate matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands for validation. This is made harder by the fact that, rightly or wrongly, a number of potential sources do not trust the leadership of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office established by Congress.”
But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs.
Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces.
“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”
Grey says secrets have been necessary. “Though a tough nut to crack, potential technological advancements may be gleaned from non-human intelligence/UAP retrievals by any sufficiently advanced nation and then used to wage asymmetrical warfare, so, therefore, some secrecy must remain,” he says. “However, it is no longer necessary to continue to deny that these advanced technologies derived from non-human intelligence exist at all or to deny that these technologies have landed, crashed, or fallen into the hands of human beings.”
Grey noted that the hypothesis that the United States alone has bullied the other nations into maintaining this secrecy for nearly a century continues to prevail as the primary consensus amongst the public at large. “My hope is to dissuade the global populace from this archaic and preposterous notion, and to potentially pave the way for a much broader discussion,” he said.
Grusch said it was dangerous for this “eighty-year arms race” to continue in secrecy because it “further inhibits the world populace to be prepared for an unexpected, non-human intelligence contact scenario.”
“I hope this revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically and provides a generally uniting issue for nations of the world to re-assess their priorities,” Grusch said.
Grusch also sat down for seven hours of on-camera interview with award-winning Australian investigative journalist Ross Coulthart, who has written a book on the topic and now co-hosts what is, in my opinion, the best podcast on the subject available today. Coulthart, who is known for work on shows like 60 Minutes, brings a seriousness to his investigation of this topic that has often been stigmatized in popular culture and media alike.
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In the interview — only short portions of which have since become public on NewsNation, which plans to air a full hour this Sunday, June 11, 2023 — Coulthart teased another startling admission out of Grusch:
Coulthart: If you're right, if you're telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American public, has been lied to for decades.
Grusch: Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral.
Coulthart: You are saying, to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S. government is saying publically, ‘we are not alone.’
Grusch: We're definitely not alone, absolutely. The data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah.
Coulthart: Do we have bodies? Do we have species of…non-human…?
Grusch: Well, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. And, believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true.
It’s an absolutely stunning admission, if true. The video is below. The segment I quoted begins at the 5 minute mark:
Although his bona fides seem impeccable, I have to admit that at first, I was put off by Grusch’s manner of delivery. He seems nonchalant, almost glib, in his disclosure of what is, if accurate, one of the biggest news stories in the history of mankind.
But the more of him I watch, the more I think it’s just his temperament and training. He’s a very calm, very collected guy. He also hasn’t seen the physical evidence himself, but has only been told about it in briefings and when colleagues involved with secret programs have confided in him.
But he has provided sworn testimony, under threat of criminal penalty if he is lying, and he is under the scrutiny of the most powerful military organization the world has ever seen — an organization that, against all expectations, approved his request to go public provided that he stay within specific parameters and not share any photographs or other evidence, for national security reasons.
Grusch’s journey to this point started when he filed a complaint with the Inspector General in 2021 stating that there were secret, black book programs that were illegally concealing information about UAPs from groups within the government that should have been authorized to know. He says that a leak of that complaint led to personal consequences:
According to the unclassified complaint, in July 2021, Grusch had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General concerning the withholding of UAP-related information from Congress. He believed that his identity, and the fact that he had provided testimony, were disclosed “to individuals and/or entities” within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community outside the IG’s office. He did not allege that this information was improperly disclosed by any member of that office.
As a result, Grusch suffered months of retaliation and reprisals related to these disclosures beginning in 2021. He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation.
The Intelligence Community Inspector General found his complaint “credible and urgent” in July 2022. According to Grusch, a summary was immediately submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines; the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
The complaint was drafted and signed by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grusch’s signature attached to his statement that “I do solemnly affirm under the penalties of perjury that the contents of the foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.”
There are so many pieces to this developing story that it would be impossible to try to fit all the pieces into one post. In fact, I don’t think we’re going to have a sense of the scope of the thing for quite a while. Grusch’s disclosure only reinforces efforts by other parties, like Lt. Ryan Graves, who has claimed repeatedly that U.S. Military pilots have been seeing UAPs in the skies literally “every day”:
Others will undoubtedly come forward with additional information. It feels like the dam is breaking. A new round of Congressional hearings is already in the works because of Grusch coming forward.
One thing I want to address before closing is this: a question I’ve seen raised more than once, and it’s a reasonable thing to ask: "How is it plausible that beings that can circumvent the laws of known physics such that they can manage interstellar/interdimensional travel manage to still crash some of their ships?"
I think this question may result from a failure of imagination and perspective. Let's put on our Sci-Fi writing hats for a second and come up with a plausible explanation.
Imagine that you're a guy from the 1700s who gets caught up in a weird storm, and you get time warped, very briefly, to 2023. You see not just cars, but airplanes, helicopters, drones, rocket ships, all these advanced means of transportation that you, who has only ever ridden a horse, cannot conceive of.
Some of this stuff, these Teslas with FSD, the entire fleet of modern commercial aircraft, they can all pilot themselves without human intervention.
It would perhaps seem inconceivable to you that people capable of such advanced technology could still have, in just the United States alone, over 2 million car accidents a year, 42,000+ of which are fatal, and another 70-90 plane crashes a year worldwide.
Just because a technology seems exotically advanced to us does not make it foolproof. Nor does it mean that the minds who might have devised it are infallible. It just means it's something that lies outside of our current conceptual framework.
Anyone who remembers life before the internet or cell phones or even flatscreen televisions can tell you that stuff you didn't even think was possible, or thought was far-fetched could become not just real, but commonplace. Everyone groans about Zoom in the post-pandemic world, but I remember a time when video calls and watch communicators (like the Apple Watch I’m wearing right now) were squarely the provenance of sci-fi films and comic books.
Despite being fairly tech savvy and using these devices every day, I couldn't tell you, with any degree of useful knowledge, how any of them actually work. If they broke I couldn't fix them. If I wound up stranded in 1700 I wouldn't have the first clue how to begin recreating any of them. We use things every day that are the product of minds who can think through problems we don't understand, working in concert to develop something amazing. Just because there are alleged visitors arriving in craft to our planet does not mean they are experts in every aspect of how the craft work. Astronauts are not synonymous with engineers, and accidents happen.
For that matter, we don't even know how disorienting it might be to traverse the universe if we could produce that kind of tech. Maybe there's something akin to G-forces, or motion sickness, or temporal disorientation, or some other phenomenon that makes the journey difficult and increases the risk of a problem when you emerge on the other side. We don't know what we don't know.
What we do know is that whistleblowers are coming forward from inside the government even as the government itself continues to deny the claims:
"To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently."
There’s a lot at stake here, and Grusch is shouldering a lot of risk if he stands alone. From their most recent podcast on the topic comes this commentary from Bryce Zabel and Ross Coulthart on this aspect of the disclosure (transcription provided by Joe Murgia):
@BryceZabel: "I personally have sat and watched you interview Dave Grusch for, I believe, seven hours. Two separate events, over seven hours. And I have heard him say things in those interviews that you conducted that exceed by a lot what's in the Leslie Kean and Rob Blumenthal story. He obviously...he spoke at depth about certain things that, I have to tell you, I thought were shocking. Not so much shocking, in that I couldn't comprehend how they could be true, but shocking in that somebody was actually saying them in a public forum on camera. So one question I had for you is: Even if he's followed this DOPSR process...is he still in any danger of being, say, arrested? Because obviously, the reason he became this first whistleblower approved is that there's government legislation that came out of the Defense Authorization Act. So what risk was Dave Grusch taking by speaking for seven hours to you, on camera, about some things that exceed just crash wreckage? What's the deal?"
@rosscoulthart: "Any whistleblower. I mean, I feel, as an investigative journalist, that the one thing that we always have to respect is the person who decides to come out from the shadows and speak publicly about what they perceive to be a wrong or an ill-doing, and exposing it publicly. It is the most courageous thing that any patriot, any public servant, can do. And sadly, one of the great lessons of journalism is, whistleblowers often get screwed. They get treated really badly. And so, in many ways, Mr. Grusch's best defense is to speak publicly and to get what he knows out there, and to ensure that it's quickly, publicly investigated, and aggressively investigated.
So what he's doing is he's putting his cards on the table. He's revealing what he knows and yes, you're absolutely right, my friend. I'm aware of Leslie and Ralph's story, and I know that what we have goes an enormous amount further. And the reason why Dave's done that is because he wants you, the public, to know. And moreover, he wants you, the public, to tell your congressional representative and your senators, the President, and anybody who's listening, including the mainstream media, that they need to make this a forefront issue. I beg this audience to get out there, get the story on social media and back this person. Because the worst thing that can happen is that somebody like he comes forward, it's such a courageous act for a person to do this, to come out from the shadows and speak about this. The worst thing that can happen is if, as I'm sad to say, some in the mainstream media have elected not to give him coverage and to ignore what he's got to say.
So it's incumbent on you, everybody listening here. You have power. This is a really important moment in history, because what you can do is you can write to your congressman, your congresswoman, your representatives and say, 'I want this in a public hearing. I want these witnesses deposed.' Because the key thing is, one of the things that Dave reveals in the story that The Debrief is publishing, is that there are witnesses that he has given evidence about, who have also backed his evidence, in testimony, in secret, to the Inspector General of the intelligence community. Those people have been deposed. They have literally given evidence under oath, and been questioned about what they know about the program, about a crash-retrieval operation.
Now, the Congress has not heard the full story. And one of the things that was frustrating the media's attempt to investigate what Dave Grusch was saying, was that some of what he reveals is, in fact, so highly protected, so highly compartmented, that many congressional sources in senator's offices, in congressional representative's office(s), were not able to corroborate that they'd even become aware of his information. This is such protected information. It has been kept from the public, I think, improperly, illegally, and criminally. Criminal offenses have been committed, very grave criminal offenses, and this needs investigation. I think this is a bigger scandal than Watergate or Iran Contra. It is massive. And there are people who will have to be criminally prosecuted for what they've been doing. Terrible things, Bryce. Terrible things have been done in the name of national security to protect this secret."
Whatever you think about all of this, it’s undeniably a very interesting time to be alive.
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